BOY! I am getting to the point where I absolutely LOVE the Bible feature! When I am on other sites, or need to look up something for myself, I come here, and simply type in one key word, and find the scripture that I need! When using them on another site, I simply have to highlight, copy, and then paste it on the site where I need the reference! It's awesome! I really have come to appreciate it, and thank the Lord, and you good brothers and sisters for having it here for our use....

Thanks to our moderators!

Darryl

Wow Jordan, the video page is great. I'm not always checking the website out...been a little busy...smile
Trying to go back and add notes to videos...I'm always bugging Curt to write...Guess this a way
to get his words in writing. Curt and Debbie are suppose to be stopping by our home Thursday
looking forward to their visit. I can show them first hand the capabilities of youtube

Sample of one the youtube uploads....I'm trying to add notes to the uploads.

Whew! man..... talk about hard to talk to? I have been e-mailing back and forth with a woman that claims to be a minister's wife, and BOY! she does NOT like the grace gospel!! She claims to be unaffiliated with any denomination, but claims water baptism for salvation.
She is 57, and her husband is 70, and she says he has been preaching for umpteen years, and she ......well, let's just say that she has called me many things, and thinks that I do not know God, and like so many others, says that Paul preached the same gospel and obeyed the same gospel as Peter. I have given her scriptures, and even gave her links to this website, as well as the Berean Bible Society's website, in hopes that she will at least check out what I am saying to her. (sigh)




What do you say to a minister's wife? She believes that she knows it all already.......

Thank you all for your present understanding and for your sensitivity to my positioning while I reconcile my experiences with the revelation of God's Word.
I find it a very difficult thought that after the holocaust of the 40's and the return of Jews to the Land of Israel to reckon that not a move of God in their behalf. I also can't forsake the thought that as there was a transition from the Kingdom Message to the Grace Message that in these latter days there would not be a transition from the Grace Message back to the Kingdom Message. Surely God has preserved Jews through the centuries to fulfill His Word to them in the latter days.
Many Messianic Jews are being manifested in our day. I have seen that they are stuck in a pattern of the Word which magnifies their Kingdom Promises and locks them into "Torah" yet they see Ya'shua "Jesus" as their Messiah. To think that God will turn to the Jews after the Grace age is over and yet believe that the present state of Israel has nothing to do with Prophecy of the latter days, to me, could be blindness on our part. As one minister admonished, "Man is always looking at what God has done, looking forward to what He will do while missing what He is doing presently".

Thank you all for your thoughts
edited by Bulls_Eye on 3/14/2010

chipper wrote:



Are there some verses to demonstrate that "resurrection" IS included in the basis for the Kingdom Gospel ?
John 20:30-31 says that believing "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" was the basis of belief in the Kingdom Gospel, no mention of death or resurrection (compare to I Cor 15:1-4)
We know from Matt 16:21-22 that after preaching the gospel for several years, Peter rebukes Jesus for telling them of His pending death and resurrection, that surely couldn't be part of their gospel, otherwise he would have known.
Even after the resurrection, Thomas still refused to believe until he had seen Jesus. (John 20:24-28)
In Acts 2, Peter accuses the Jewish people of killing their Messiah, not something to be believed in.


Last fall I found a wonderful, and easy to read, book called "The Two Gospels" by R. Dawson Barlow.
The whole book deals with the subject of ... two gospels.
If interested, see the section "book store" at http://www.bibleambassadors.org/
edited by DougArndt on 3/10/2010

jannie wrote:

Hello Forum

The question is this : in 1 Cor. 4:9 we read : for i think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

The word last in Greek is : eschatous . This means, as far as I know, last. Last in the sence of there is no new apostles after Paul. Paul was the last one.

I would appreciate your comments

In Gal. 2:7 we read : But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as of the circumcision unto Peter.
A lot of people read here two gospels : the gospel of the uncircumcision and the gospel of the circumcision. They think this are two different gospels.
But that is not what this verse says. I think this verse tells that Paul en Peter went to different groups. There was not a different gospel because Paul says in chapter one vs. 6 and 7 : I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another, ….. vs 8 says : but though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

I believe that there is only one gospel (death and resurrection). This is the basic for everything. It was the message from Paul and Peter to different groups and not a different gospel.

What do you think?


Hi Jannie,



It is true that the death and resurrection is the basis for both gospels, but much is different. Peter's kingdom gospel-gospel of the circumcision entails God blessing Israel under the new covanant-and the gentiles through Israel in the prophesied earthly kingdom). Paul's gospel of the grace of God-(gospel of the uncircumcision-no Jew or gentile, one new man/the church the body of Christ by grace through faith-Heavenly blessings), was unprophesied and kept hidden until revealed to Paul (Rom. 16:25). It is important read this passage (and others) in the context of the big picture. Keep in mind that in the big picture, some very significant events have taken place before Gal. 2:7 was penned. We know that all of mankind, (Jews and gentiles Rom.3:9), had reached a place where prophetic judgment was about to fall. (Acts 7:55,56). The gentiles had rejected God's revelation of himself to them, (Rom 1) and the Jews had murdered their Messiah and rejected the offer of the Messianic Kingdom and the ministry of the Holy Spirit via Peter and the little flock by this time. The whole world was 'guilty' before God. But instead of the prophesied judgment falling, Christ revealed himself to arch enemy Paul with a message of grace to all of condemned mankind regardless of pedigree! Paul is not preaching a gospel already preached and rejected by his kinsmen as Peter was, for Rom. 9-11 makes it clear that offer is not currently on the table, but will be again at a future time.



Also, remember that Paul went up by revelation to communicate "that gospel'' which he preached among the gentiles to the apostles in Jerusalem.(Gal. 2:2) They did not have the revelations that Christ was giving to Paul and he makes it clear he didn't receive his gospel from them. Further, when we read 2Peter3:15, (And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. ), we can see that Peter was stabilizing those Jewish saints who were wavering because of the unexpected delay in the prophetic gospel of the circumcision. He points them to Paul's teachings for the answers.



While there are many commonalities in the two gospels, they are differentiated in the scriptures for a reason! What a blessing to live in this 'grace period' offered to by God to us all through Paul's ministry!



hth

chipper


Jannie